Curse

Day Trooper · Sep 24, 2007, 10:44 PM // 22:44

My 'main' char (like countless others here) was created way before the advent of titles - so I too am hoping that ANet creates 'some way' for me to attain the Survivor title with him since dying was not an issue prior to this title (and yes I have already achieved Legendary Survivor on my mesmer - but I really want it on my main char!)

Please ANet - be ftw here - give us 'since day 1' players a way to get Survivor on our 'pre-title' chars!

With that being said though - other posters are correct that those who have LDoA can't have access to this potential new way of getting Survivor - as that would be unfair to Assassins/Ritualists/Dervishes/Paragons who can never get LDoA...

milan · Sep 24, 2007, 10:49 PM // 22:49

Another 'I can't get it so nobody should have it' string, how original.

If it would stop all the whining I'd support the idea that another title be added for those incapable of reaching survivor from level 1, or don't want it that much that they will remake a character.

Kushiels_Scion · Sep 24, 2007, 11:10 PM // 23:10

I find the idea of getting rid of the Survivor title completely ridiculously. It's more like punishing the people that spent the time and effort and aswell the continuous remakes of the same character for no reason whatsoever. If you can't get the title then thats your problem, if your character was made before hand then delete it and get the title if you want to have a such a title that badly. I made a character that had meaning because of it's name and i felt because of the name it deserved the title so i got it for it, to remove the title is completely ridiculous and something that just won't happen.

Dark Wolf-KITB · Sep 24, 2007, 11:16 PM // 23:16

No, neither nuclear war nor the threat of international communism shall prevent me form continually restarting to get survivor.

Why do you feel your character is inferior to those who have obtained survivor status? From what I understand they are not treated with much reverance.

They are either labelled as pointless grinders, or "Brave Sir Robins" (Search for "Sir Robin, Monty Python and the Holy Grail" to understand this reference).

In case you are in any doubt that's a no from me.

"Brave Sir Robin ran away.
Bravely ran away, away!
When danger reared its ugly head,
He bravely turned his tail and fled.
Yes, brave Sir Robin turned about
And gallantly he chickened out.
Bravely taking to his feet
He beat a very brave retreat,
Bravest of the brave, Sir Robin!

He is packing it in and packing it up
And sneaking away and buggering up
And chickening out and pissing off home,
Yes, bravely he is throwing in the sponge..."

Darko_UK · Sep 24, 2007, 11:29 PM // 23:29

I don't support removing the title, I support giving ever character made before survivor was introduced a free title like "War Veteran" that counts towards KoaBD. They have supported gw for the longest why shouldn't they be rewarded?

JeniM · Sep 24, 2007, 11:41 PM // 23:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Wolf-KITB

They are either labelled as pointless grinders, or "Brave Sir Robins" (Search for "Sir Robin, Monty Python and the Holy Grail" to understand this reference).

In case you are in any doubt that's a no from me.

"Brave Sir Robin ran away.
Bravely ran away, away!
When danger reared its ugly head,
He bravely turned his tail and fled.
Yes, brave Sir Robin turned about
And gallantly he chickened out.
Bravely taking to his feet
He beat a very brave retreat,
Bravest of the brave, Sir Robin!

He is packing it in and packing it up
And sneaking away and buggering up
And chickening out and pissing off home,
Yes, bravely he is throwing in the sponge..."

Did we really need to copy paste

Anyway /signed for the "get the XP when you feel like it" idea even if it'll never happen

gremlin · Sep 25, 2007, 12:16 AM // 00:16

It's pretty unfair to remove titles or fix it for pre title characters to gain the title etc, Its a game it has rules and rules sometimes change, live with it.

Anything you would gain is at the expense of other players that is not reasonable.

Take surviver to give someone the chance to go for that title when they are already 20th level have lots of experience playing that character good weapons and armor etc and know the main dangers of the world would diminish the value of the title.

Some poor player who got there starting from 1st level would have every right to complain if you had equal status.

I have no axe to grind, I like the explorer title and thats about all I would go for, I think some of the other titles are a programmers joke on the players.

They wondered just how much time and effort performing dreary boring tasks they could get the players to go through for a title.

Even explorer isn't perfect you have to practically climb every tree and lift every cowpat to get 100% by that criteria there has never been an explorer in the history of this planet I havn't explored the house I live in to that level.

hmm seems I did have an axe to grind after all
sorry

DarklingKiller · Sep 25, 2007, 01:56 AM // 01:56

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Originally Posted by PureEvilYak

I think the point is not that survivor is a bad title, but that there are those of us who would have got it, but titles didn't exist when we created our characters, which I can empathize with. I am not bothered about titles on any character but my ranger, but as he was created 26 months ago, and had racked up around 500-1000 deaths by the time titles were released, he can't get survivor. Its not too important to me, but if I could do it again, I would.

One compromise would be to make it so that survivor can be gotten at any stage of the game, you just have to not die for (1337600?) experience. However, this would make survivor much easier (no grind from level 1), and make it so Tyrian characters had the edge on the KoaBD title.

Another way to solve things would be to remove both of those titles. This would annoy one hell of a lot of people, so this method is out, too.

As this is a pretty messed up system, there would only be 1 solution, which I formed from the internet game "Kingdom of Loathing"'s idea of Ascension. What Anet would do is create an NPC who sends you temporarily to level 1, perhaps giving you an effect like "call of the eye". You would then get a secondary experience bar, and level back up according to this. This bar would also be the counter for the Survivor title. You could get rid of this effect by talking to said NPC again, or by dying. To make it fair for the KoaBD title, You could make it so he only offers this effect to characters without LDoA.

I can't see it happening, but if they were to make survivor available to those of us who didn't know about it to begin with, that would be the way forward.

I like this idea but it has about 1% chance of happening. Yes I wish there was a way for my warrior to get Legendary Defender of Ascalon or Legendary Survivor but I guess I'll have to just live with it. Removing these titles would be completely unfair to those who have worked long and hard to achieve them and many people will be angry. Good job to all those who have received these titles btw.

zamial · Sep 25, 2007, 02:14 AM // 02:14

In the spirit of fairness, Why not make 35 pvp titles and 35 pve titles and max Koabd at 30. This would allow everyone that doesn't play the other side of the game to max koabd with room for error. Also make the HoM a place that can be accessed from the guild halls(if you own GW:EN) for the pvp players.......

BTW I don't pvp at all. I went for survivor a few times and then realized it was way less stress to strip of all my armor and run into the 1st mob I saw and let it kill me, lol I have never looked back.....

Clone · Sep 25, 2007, 02:59 AM // 02:59

Look at the trouble grind brings.... *sigh* This is pathetic.

A.) Best solution: Someone else has something you don't have. GET OVER IT!
B.) Alternate solution: Change survivor from 0 deaths till whatever xp to gaining whatever xp without death.
C.) Either way, it DOES NOT NEED TO BE REMOVED.

TheIdiotXP · Sep 25, 2007, 03:15 AM // 03:15

I don't think survivor should be removed because I love the challenge it brings and the point to KoaBD is also a bonus. Also I guess you could also say it wouldn't be fair for people who worked to obtain the title.

I don't think there should be a reset xp counter from deaths because then it would enable LDoA characters to obtain survivor title as well giving them an edge over any other character.

To make it fair for older characters I think there should be a new title made that survivors and LDoA chars can't get, but im not sure what that title would be... time to think hard XD

EPO Bot · Sep 25, 2007, 06:40 AM // 06:40

I think i go for LS in GW2 right from the start.

EbilCat · Sep 25, 2007, 06:54 AM // 06:54

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Originally Posted by Dougal Kronik

Anet should just make a third title that those characters who have LDoA or Survivor are excluded from.

Like; there is LDoA but you can't get Survivor and vice versa.

Haha, think that can be achieved by creating a title, which only characters created before Factions, can obtain.

EPO Bot · Sep 25, 2007, 09:02 AM // 09:02

You know, this whole "LS takes no skill" thing pisses me off to no end. I play every mission, do every quest, i do the bonus in dunes of despair, and even join pugs with stunningly low levels of skill. And still people accuse me of farming all my exp point in easy places. If only i had a way to prove that i actually earned it...

JeniM · Sep 25, 2007, 09:18 AM // 09:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by EPO Bot

You know, this whole "LS takes no skill" thing pisses me off to no end. I play every mission, do every quest, i do the bonus in dunes of despair, and even join pugs with stunningly low levels of skill. And still people accuse me of farming all my exp point in easy places. If only i had a way to prove that i actually earned it...

Sorry but in my eyes LS does take no skill at all, my guild-mate got it from 1 build, 1 support hero, 1 area, hard mode and loads of patience. Really the only thing to it is spamming some skills in HM with a suporter hero, only skill is keeping the aggro otherwise if they find the hero thats 8hours of work gone. Factions made survivor a one day title and its not one i respect hugely

Boops · Sep 25, 2007, 09:19 AM // 09:19

it doesn't matter what it is or how much skill it takes

it's +1 (or -1) to the kind of a big deal track for most people

EPO Bot · Sep 25, 2007, 09:30 AM // 09:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeniM

Sorry but in my eyes LS does take no skill at all, my guild-mate got it from 1 build, 1 support hero, 1 area, hard mode and loads of patience. Really the only thing to it is spamming some skills in HM with a suporter hero, only skill is keeping the aggro otherwise if they find the hero thats 8hours of work gone. Factions made survivor a one day title and its not one i respect hugely

Well yeah, LS would be worthless to me if i got it like that. But instead i expose my monk to all kinds of abuse and ele spike bosses. The only thing i don't risk is fighting lava imps.

And i never use the same build twice in a row. The problem: No one believes it. It's the same thing with internet porn: You can scream all you want that you don't watch it all day long, but everyone just goes "Yeah right.."

Clord · Sep 25, 2007, 10:08 AM // 10:08

Simple solutions than just typical "remove everything".

Characters who was made before survivor title was made available, get temporal button what when clicked it, let you attempt achieve it, additionally that button take account how much exp your character already has (so if someone has played with character since beginning and got a lot exp, they get title already maxed from button press).

cute_dragon · Sep 25, 2007, 12:59 PM // 12:59

Well, My 'Sin is Legendary Survivor, and It was real a hard task...
But
/signed

I'd prefer it.

RhanoctJocosa · Sep 25, 2007, 01:54 PM // 13:54

LOL is this thread for real?

Spazzar, tell me, is your "gimped" character anywhere near the IOMLB/MGHSLRM title? If it is, then I can see where you're comming from- but I highly doubt it.

Stop being so selfish you scrub; my warrior missed out on it too. Deal with it.